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Engine Wont Idle 0N 1400Cc Carb (Not My Cab On My Orion)


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Guest demonteddy

Hi just a quicky, Car starts brill with choke, when warm and push choke in engine wont idle,

looks to be set about 500 rpm should be maybe 800rpm.

Runs ok but something odd just cant put my finger one it and cant explain either

I know I can just adjust the idle screw but is there anything electronic on a weber 2V DFTM carb manuel choke

Just that I am running it on choke all the time and just went to use it now and it took ages to start

eventually started without choke but missing badley then went ok

Going to investigate tomorrow but any ideas would be great

car hasnt been used for about six months but passed Mot with emissions

ta

Bill

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Guest demonteddy

Hi

No it was the idle needle dirty guy came out took needle out cleaned it put it back idled ok then cost me £40 :sad:

Have a new problem now though, starts brilliant when cold, but takes a few turns to start when hot.

changed leads, plugs dizzy cap still the same, hope its not going to need a new carb

My mind suspects the timing is out so next thing is to check that as soon as I can.

Car just does'nt feel right cant put my finger on it

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Guest demonteddy

No,

Initial puff of white smoke on on start up (will get around to doing the valve seals) then no smoke everything seems ok

when warm she runs spot on just hates starting when warm.

Its annoying I know its not right put just cant tell what it is, could be timing out, carb knackered, I dont think the engine is knackered

but I am not up on the cvh engine I have worked on them but not much

Not taking it to mechanic, £40 an hour is over the top.

 

Bill

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pity your not closer, as i've just sorted a mate's 1400 in his escort, when the cars warm do you need to hold the throttle down or give it a few pumps before it fires?.. If the timming was out it would run like a nail all the time,

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When its warm, have to give the throttle a few pumps to get her going, She runs good easy gets up to 90 on motorway no problem,

When cold , pull choke out and runs on one turn of the key, dontt ouch throttle. when cold tried to start without touching throttle no go, so end up pumping it to get her going

Thinking about timing I see your point, she would run rough, but she suns sweet .

Bill.

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it sounds to me like a weak fuel mixture, the VW carb does suffer from eveporation issues hence having to hold the throttle down when warm, is it still on the standard airbox?

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hi its a weber carb, ford changed over to this type.

its still standard. you could be right about week fuel mixture

The guy I got out should have checked that, he was here 5 mins but still charged an hour.

he did mess with idle speed and increased it to 1200 rev instead of 800, also increased the choke now thats at 2000 revs when pulled right out.

He wanted to take carb off and take it away for a complete rebuild (not that soft)

i may look into getting the fuel mixture checked over, or see if I can buy another carb. not many people know about carbs now they all do injection

 

Bill

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cheers I will have a mess with it, as long as i watch what i am doing so can put it back the way it was should have no problems

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tbh it doesn't sound like any real issue, my current 1400 on occasion needs a bit of help,.. when it's up and running drop a shot of redex down the carb see if it blows out any nasties.

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Hi Just an update, been messing with it today, looked in manuel about timeing and noticed that the cvh engine has a different fireing order than the normal ohv engine so checked the leads out, the guy i bought it from had replaced the dizzy cap and put the fireing order 1342

the book says to put it 1342 anti clockwise starting from where the ignition module is well looks like the leads where 180 degrees out or more His started at number 4 where the ignition module is (rather just past it the way its set up on dizzy)

So gave it a run still not perfect but started up no problem and ran ok. going out again soon will see if she fires up with out having to pump gas pedal.

Hope fully this sorts it, didnt think it would run 180 degrees out

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Well, still have the same problem, hard to start once warm, dam

Think I will change the carb next see if thats the problem.

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Been told it may be the ignition module priced them for the 1400cc expensive for what they are, may as well pay the difference and get a new distributer, Should be arriving early next week. Bought a used carb as well just in case it is that. I will strip it and try to refurbish it.

not much left it can be

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the ignition module suffers from contamination due to it's postion on the underneath.. Try cleaning your first with some carb cleaner, failing that there around £8/15 for a new 1, or even opt for a whole recon dizzy assembly

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The number on mine is different to the £10 ones being a 1400cc, so opted for a new dizzy, but just took the module off and tried the module on the car it seems to have sorted the problem, I will change the whole dizzy though may as well now that I have bought it.

Hopefully thats the problem sorted.

Waiting now for next problem lol

Bill

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if it's looked after it'll last for years, proberbly worth considering adding a fuel additive to help prevent ethanol damage, due to new petrol mixes, oil n filter service around 5/6k and just keep an eye on the carb inline fuel filters.

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