Guest s.shaw78 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Hi there Ive just purchased my first cab its a 94 M reg 1.6 Injection, I bought the car as a spares or repair because ive always wanted one and got it quite cheap for the condition its in. ive been informed that the car does not start, i was told it happened a month back when driving home from the work the car cut out tried to start it again and it wouldnt start left it for 10 mins and the car started drove for about another mile and cut out again. Now i know the fuse box has totally been replaced the car does start but not for long also the immobilers light does not go off, the imm was bypassed to elimnate and althought the car started the fuel pump was not priming so didnt last for long. I dont have the car in my possesion until next week so i really dont know whats going on without it however im not a mechanic but would like the benefit of someones advice to see if they can point me in the right direction, Ive also been infomed there is no power getting to the fuel pump so can i ask out of experience do you think the problem could be Relay Fuel Pump Fusebox Immobilser If anyone out there can give me some kind of indication this would be appreciated soon as the car is at my property I will be able to take a closer look Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Justin Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 Im not a mechanic either (though id love to be) but i think its pointing towards an immobiliser problem.. i cant remember where i saw it, think it could be somewhere on these forums, but there is an article somewhere about completely removing the immoboliser from the car.. On both of my M reg mk5b, 1.6i, the red light goes off after a few seconds.. If yours is staying on, i would guess that would point to an immobiliser problem. I do remember reading that the reason you wont have power getting to the fuel pump is because thats the part the immobiliser helps to knock out.. with immobiliser disabled, normally by inserting key and turning, then power flows to the fuel pump as normal.. if you are still getting into trouble, and wanna check multimeter readings, i have a mk5b the same as yours that im currently dismantling and can happily run checks with a multimeter if you wanted to see if your readings were normal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steelcabby Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 if you have had the fusebox changed for a new one, i would say fuel pump reply or immobiliser mate. but if you changed it for a scrapyard one, it could be the fusebox thats in it and its just unlucky that the car has had two bad fuseboxes. when you get the car, pull the fuse box down and check for any loose wires, plugs, burnt out replys etc. i would start there anyway. but then if your immobiliser light dosen't go off, that could be fusebox related too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest s.shaw78 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 ok had some more info on the car still dont have it hoping to collect very soon, car originally had 2 immobs on the veichle ford standard and self install one a car auto electrician remove the self install leaving only the ford standard one fitted. now when turning the key the immmob light does go out so im told the fuel pump does not prime, a wire connected from battery to fuel pump saw power going to fuel pump again now so im looking at either a relay or what. I have been informed there is a new ECU coming with the car but will need fitting and coding for key any one know which i should try first, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest smoothy582 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 hi mate from what you said the first place i would look would be the fuelpump, reason for this is when a intank pump starts go they heat up and cut out after a while running before they give up all together. when you run a wire to the fuel pump did it charge? check fuelpump cut off switch there should be a hole in one of the kick panels (make sure it is pushed down). rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest s.shaw78 Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 update again fuel pump defo works has been taken out and fitted in new car no problems at all, i need to ask can someone possibly tell me where the fuel cut of switch is on a mk5 M reg 1.6 cab its not in the boot its not under backseat is it definatley under the drivers door side panel. also does anyone know what color the fuel pump relay is and where is would be situated i have the original haynes manual but i cant make head nor tale from it, and finally if anyody needs any pages from this manual let me know ill scan and upload. Manual in question is the Ford Escort & Orion sept 1990 to 1997. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escort Cabriolet Club Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 The Fuel Cut off Switch is in the DRIVERS FOOTWELL mate, its behind a small blank on to the right of the Accelerator pedel !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest s.shaw78 Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 thanks Escort will be hopefully back on the road tomorrow, finally got the car better than i imagined to be honest, cant wait to get in it and drive, you still got the automatic roof equipment. Im now trying to find a new roof as well as the current one a little shabby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escort Cabriolet Club Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 I have mate, give us a shout and me and EGGSY can give you a hand fitting it !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest s.shaw78 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Ok another update Fuel relay and fuel pump working correctly immobiliser not causing a problem the only problem i have now is the car wont Spark, took of HT lead inserted screw driver placed near body earth turned car over and no spark anybody have any ideas as to why, Mechanic is baffled so am I. if i can get a spark i can probably start the damn car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steelcabby Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 first off. take a plug out and connect it to the HT lead and try it on your manifold. if no spark. and assuming its a zetec. check all the wiring to the coil pack and around that area for broken wires. it could be broken wiring as they are know for it. also i would try another coil-pack, but they hardly ever go wrong. does the fuel pump prime when you turn the key now? if not it could be an ECU problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest s.shaw78 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 yes i was thinking of the ECU definatley no spark, now i have been informed the crank sensor can stop the car from sparking so i think this will be the next check if not then i have a feeling its going to be the ECU i have another ECU here but it needs programming dont it and matching to something in the car i believe can i ask what price range this would cost.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steelcabby Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 yes i was thinking of the ECU definatley no spark, now i have been informed the crank sensor can stop the car from sparking so i think this will be the next check if not then i have a feeling its going to be the ECU i have another ECU here but it needs programming dont it and matching to something in the car i believe can i ask what price range this would cost.... crank sensor would stop it firing. but as for the ECU. i thought as long as it was from the same car it would be fine? couldn't answer that one. but if its the case you have to get it flashed. i would say about 100 pounds. but then again i can't comfirm this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest s.shaw78 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Ooh new buttons very flash, ok so last and final update, checked the relay (working) checked the crack sensor (working) checked file pump (working). So after all these checks we couldnt understand why the damn thing wasnt firing i thought of ECU but really this was a last resort to me, was told when bought the car it had a replacement fusebox fitted, so on the off chance we installed the old and original fuse box one turn of the key and VROOOOM! it damn started can you adam and eve it. spent 4 hours checking everthing following wires and to our dissapointment nothing worked was rather peed off when it worked with old fuse. Very strange indeed so now i need to ask does anybody what that spray is called that you spray on electrical componenets and it dries to stop moisture its going to need it because the fuesbox is corrded will be getting replaced shortly but for now it will do. only down fall was when we replaced the fusebox the central locking didnt kick in however i think this was down to a fuse or something because central locking worked on other fusebox. Im sure ill get it sorted thanks for all your input Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steelcabby Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 duck oil, wd40. so as i thought originally it could of been the fusebox. proper job i took my fuse box apart and cleaned the corrosion with a tooth brush. then put it back together. worked perfect. when mine was corroding it was stopping my central locking from working too. and my alarm. it also made my blowers and wipers work when the ignition was off...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest s.shaw78 Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 when mine was corroding it was stopping my central locking from working too. and my alarm. it also made my blowers and wipers work when the ignition was off...lol Guess what althought the fusebox starts the car and does everything it shoud the central lockin and alarm does not work i thought it was a fuse or maybe i disconnected it, im due to go away monday so tomorrow fusebox once again is coming out to get cleaned im hoping this solves my problem, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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