Guest roychambers880 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Hi guys I bought a escort 1.8 Ghia Cab, I love it ! I bought it damaged online, so didnt know what was actually wrong with it apart from the photos - bumper needs changing and headlight.... but when I got the car, the roof didnt work Here are the events, in order, of what has happened: 1. received car, drove it round the block, parked it up with engine ON - tried roof to go down, no joy. 2. got out of car, manually put roof down successfully, with engine ON still. 3. read up on forums what people have experienced, after going in doors. 4. found that apparently you should try the roof when the key is ignition 1 - is this true? Tried that anyway... 5. with key in ignition 1, lights come up on dash, I hear a whurring noise for about 10-15 seconds, but the roof doesnt move. then the whurring stops. 6. after about a minute I can repeat above step, still nothing happens. 7. Peeled back boot liner to view pump, level is at MINIMUM. 8. I dont have a pic of the pump, but there looks to be a hexagonal nut, which I assume, once removed, is how to fill up the resevoir? Other than the above, I really do not know what I am doing ... I will probably take it to cayman autos in Dorking as they apparently specialise in cabs, but that will cost me arm and leg Any feedback appreciated , many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingergman Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Hi, gas the pump got a t piece on the side of it? If you can open and close it manually easily then this needs turning to use electrically, failing that it does sound like the cog in the motor has broke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian71 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Hi Roy, sounds as though the pump is working so it wont be an electrical fault. Top the pump up with the right fluid if low,ford fluid expensive other peeps say vw stuff the same but cheaper. It is possible the fluid is leaking out somewhere which means there is not enough preasure to force the rams up to open the roof. Check the carpet around the pump for leaking fluid. There is also a seal in the pump which can break down. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allblue Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 If its a Mk6 cabriolet with the black bodied pump, most likley the plastic cog inside has failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roychambers880 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 ok thanks all ... i'll try all your suggestions and take some pics with a decent camera over the weekend.... cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian71 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 mk6 pump for sale on ebay £55 delivered from Devon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roychambers880 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 mk6 pump for sale on ebay £55 delivered from Devon. trying to strike a deal with a breaker for £42 ... pump, with rams. Once I get it delivered, can a novice like me do it? to give you an idea of my mechanic skills, I can knock up a IKEA wardrobe easily, change my car oil myself - but thats about me done ! Hopefully, it'll be easy to take off .. then I can guage how it is to put back on. Just nervous about the rams though, as I don't fancy replacing that ... in this case guys do you reckon i'll need to replace the rams as well, or just the pump only? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allblue Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 if its the plastic cog you dont have to replace the pump, just the cog. it £17 pounds from vw dealers. Ford dont stock it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris.lord32@hotmail.co.uk Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 plastic impeller cog needs replacing inside pump and obviously get some fluid in the resovoir too ! if you can do an oil change youll be able to do this ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris.lord32@hotmail.co.uk Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Hi all - reliving my k reg xr3i cabriolet 130bhp youth days now having not long bought a 1997 p reg mk cabriolet ghia in Jewel Violet 93 ! Roof pump was dry so have filled itwith roof fluid fuse in footwell good and relay there too power to switch and switch tested and working fuse in boot ok and 3 relays all green the same present too tested pump with a 12v low amps battery and its working fine tested power on a relay to ground and 12volts present key in ignition turned without engine running and = NOTHING HAPPENING when pressing the switch !!!! ANY IDEAS gratefully received please !!!!! or diagrams or confirmation of correct relay informaion ! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roychambers880 Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 if its the plastic cog you dont have to replace the pump, just the cog. it £17 pounds from vw dealers. Ford dont stock it. thank you sir - is there a part no for this does anyone know please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roychambers880 Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) Hi, gas the pump got a t piece on the side of it? If you can open and close it manually easily then this needs turning to use electrically, failing that it does sound like the cog in the motor has broke. Hi mr gingerman, I found the tap and turned it fully clockwise. Then, pressed the hood button to go down.............. ....... and it worked..... ! BUT - the roof opened up halfway then stopped. I thought, maybe because the oil level on the pump is below MIN, there's no pressure there to pull the hood all the way down. So, as I dont know what I'm doing at all, I opened then reclosed the tap and proceeded to open the roof, it went down further again then stopped. I repeated these steps until the hood went all the way down, which it did. On the way up, rather than opening and closing the tap each time, I just waited a bit instead. This too worked and eventually, through stop start and patience the roof closed successfully. So... I'm assuming, I can save a lot of money and hassle and just top up the resevoir for the fluid? I'm not sure where to pour it in, but do i unscrew the bronze hexagonal nut (black arrow pointing to it) at the top, to pour it in? (picture below, I hope it's come out ok) Also, I was told normal automatic transmission fluid will do the trick... is this right or a risk? Thanks all.... https://www.dropbox.com/s/w8j62gpokdyg3q5/IMG-20150202-WA0000.jpg?dl=0 Edited February 2, 2015 by roychambers880 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roychambers880 Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) https://www.dropbox.com/s/w8j62gpokdyg3q5/IMG-20150202-WA0000.jpg?dl=0 Edited February 2, 2015 by roychambers880 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skittles80 Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Yes that's where i topped mine up I used jack oill and had no problems fill it up leave nut of go up down with roof a few times to work it in the system and avoid air locks worked on mine a treat once you get to max then refit nut take your time add a bit at a time good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roychambers880 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Yes that's where i topped mine up I used jack oill and had no problems fill it up leave nut of go up down with roof a few times to work it in the system and avoid air locks worked on mine a treat once you get to max then refit nut take your time add a bit at a time good luck Thank you skittles, I can't wait, if/when i get my car all sorted, i'll be looking forward to putting some pics up too. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingergman Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Sounds like it was low on fluid so someone just used it manually, top it up should be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roychambers880 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Sounds like it was low on fluid so someone just used it manually, top it up should be fine thanks mate, i'll follow skittles method, and report back here. Hope the other chap here gets his working too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roychambers880 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 UPDATE: The roof now moves down for longer before stopping, than before. The roof now moves up for longer before stopping than before. The pressure seems to have improved, but there's still stop start and I have to wait a good 20seconds before I continue to fully open or close. It feels like the system needs bleeding due to air pockets??? Anyway, good enough for me, I need to replace the damaged bits now, might take it to a specialist for the hood to bleed the system, not too confident on that ! Thanks all again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moobaru Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I had this problem motor made noise but didn't move roof at all just got a impeller hydraulic unit off ebay cost 40 hoping that the roof may work again. Looks simple enough to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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